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		<title>By: Don Ledingham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Ledingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vidyut

Thanks for taking the time to express your thoughts. I obviously got something wrong if this came across to you as limiting and constraining children's experiences.  My intention is quite the reverse. I see you are involvede in adventure learning - where learning takes place in situations outwith the norm. Learning takes many forms but so often in our country we only recognise the formal as opposed to those experiences which have much greater personal meaning  for the child. I don't follow why you think the child won't have control over their home learning - e.g. swimming; playing football; making films; hill walking; horse riding; playing music? We want to try to enable children to engage more - not less - in education process.</description>
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<p>Thanks for taking the time to express your thoughts. I obviously got something wrong if this came across to you as limiting and constraining children&#8217;s experiences.  My intention is quite the reverse. I see you are involvede in adventure learning - where learning takes place in situations outwith the norm. Learning takes many forms but so often in our country we only recognise the formal as opposed to those experiences which have much greater personal meaning  for the child. I don&#8217;t follow why you think the child won&#8217;t have control over their home learning - e.g. swimming; playing football; making films; hill walking; horse riding; playing music? We want to try to enable children to engage more - not less - in education process.</p>
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		<title>By: Vidyut Kale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vidyut Kale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 07:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article, and I enjoy most of the things you said. On an overall note, I feel concerned about the expectations from children - learn..... learn...... learn...... to summarize.

I appreciate the amount of effort and caring in these suggestions, but I can't help but feel that if I were a child:

I would have no time to stand and stare. My home and school programme would bring learning pretty much as the objective where ever I turn - and that is learning I have no choice about until I turn 16 (which basically means until its almost over). My experiences and achievements would be tracked from age 3-18.... You wouldn't get away with invading an adult like that. Whatever happened to my rights?

While I appreciate that children need assistance learning, this programme sounds a little aggressive for my taste. I can almost empathize with what Jim Carey felt in the Truman show - where he is well loved, but living a life designed by someone else with not much respect for how he would &lt;i&gt;like&lt;/i&gt; to spend his life. The seeming lack of trust that children can't make responsible choices for themselves until they turn 16.

Another concern is the scene without the rose tinted glasses. The child who conforms to this learning thingy or a child with a natural inclination to achieve will blaze a trail of achievements through meticulously kept records. What happens to the not so bright child caught in a hi-fi education system (which incidentally doesn't mean that he will not be successful in life)? Worse, what happens to the bright and responsible child, who would like to take a break from stuff and make space to reassess his direction, and as a result finds himself "lacking" in achievements on the records in comparison with other children of his age? I would like to understand how such a system would relate with people making choices other than the learning one, people not being able to cope with the intense learning, people not wishing to take on constant pressure and other odd balls. If it is to be a system, it will have to be able to deal responsibly with all sorts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article, and I enjoy most of the things you said. On an overall note, I feel concerned about the expectations from children - learn&#8230;.. learn&#8230;&#8230; learn&#8230;&#8230; to summarize.</p>
<p>I appreciate the amount of effort and caring in these suggestions, but I can&#8217;t help but feel that if I were a child:</p>
<p>I would have no time to stand and stare. My home and school programme would bring learning pretty much as the objective where ever I turn - and that is learning I have no choice about until I turn 16 (which basically means until its almost over). My experiences and achievements would be tracked from age 3-18&#8230;. You wouldn&#8217;t get away with invading an adult like that. Whatever happened to my rights?</p>
<p>While I appreciate that children need assistance learning, this programme sounds a little aggressive for my taste. I can almost empathize with what Jim Carey felt in the Truman show - where he is well loved, but living a life designed by someone else with not much respect for how he would <i>like</i> to spend his life. The seeming lack of trust that children can&#8217;t make responsible choices for themselves until they turn 16.</p>
<p>Another concern is the scene without the rose tinted glasses. The child who conforms to this learning thingy or a child with a natural inclination to achieve will blaze a trail of achievements through meticulously kept records. What happens to the not so bright child caught in a hi-fi education system (which incidentally doesn&#8217;t mean that he will not be successful in life)? Worse, what happens to the bright and responsible child, who would like to take a break from stuff and make space to reassess his direction, and as a result finds himself &#8220;lacking&#8221; in achievements on the records in comparison with other children of his age? I would like to understand how such a system would relate with people making choices other than the learning one, people not being able to cope with the intense learning, people not wishing to take on constant pressure and other odd balls. If it is to be a system, it will have to be able to deal responsibly with all sorts.</p>
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		<title>By: Catriona Gill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catriona Gill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 22:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a PGDE student who is currently writing an essay on Curriculum, Teaching and Assessment, I was delighted to come across this piece. As John Dewey said 'Education, therefore, is a process of living and not a preparation for future living.' A Curriculum for Excellence has the potential to deliver this, yet in a climate such as you describe where there is 'evolution not revolution' I struggle to see how it is possible for it to evolve from the 5-14 product model which is fundamentally epistemologically incompatible. 
Lets start the revolution!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a PGDE student who is currently writing an essay on Curriculum, Teaching and Assessment, I was delighted to come across this piece. As John Dewey said &#8216;Education, therefore, is a process of living and not a preparation for future living.&#8217; A Curriculum for Excellence has the potential to deliver this, yet in a climate such as you describe where there is &#8216;evolution not revolution&#8217; I struggle to see how it is possible for it to evolve from the 5-14 product model which is fundamentally epistemologically incompatible.<br />
Lets start the revolution!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A great article. As Joe says I believe there will be many educational sectors developing/aspiring to develop in this direction and want to make such changes happen.I am of course always pleased to see that outdoor education is considered as one of the core activities in this revolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great article. As Joe says I believe there will be many educational sectors developing/aspiring to develop in this direction and want to make such changes happen.I am of course always pleased to see that outdoor education is considered as one of the core activities in this revolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where do we sign up ;-) 
The revolution is well underway in work based and further education sectors.

I don't think there are really massive obstacles in your way - Ewan's "don't think try" mantra is pretty apposite.
You are also building on a great track record of change from within in your own authority.
What can we do to make this happen ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where do we sign up <img src='http://edubuzz.org/blogs/donsblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
The revolution is well underway in work based and further education sectors.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there are really massive obstacles in your way - Ewan&#8217;s &#8220;don&#8217;t think try&#8221; mantra is pretty apposite.<br />
You are also building on a great track record of change from within in your own authority.<br />
What can we do to make this happen ?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Sutcliffe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Sutcliffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another great article, Don. I particularly love the idea of inverting the core. This would ensure that emphasis is placed on creative and thinking skills being used and disable current prevalent practice (through necessity) of teaching to fixed goals of assessment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another great article, Don. I particularly love the idea of inverting the core. This would ensure that emphasis is placed on creative and thinking skills being used and disable current prevalent practice (through necessity) of teaching to fixed goals of assessment.</p>
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		<title>By: guineapigmum</title>
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		<dc:creator>guineapigmum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I should have proof read that comment before hitting the button.  Apologies for the bits of gobbledygook</description>
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		<title>By: guineapigmum</title>
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		<dc:creator>guineapigmum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's very refreshing to read this.  As a lay person with children in the system at the moment, it always seems to me that there are two main groups acting against any significant change.  First, people who've been and gone through the system and the media.  This lot are the "if it was good enough for us..." and "standards are falling..." brigade.  I'm sure they think children should still be matriculating with the leaving certificate or whatever or their children they did themselves.  And then there are the teaching professionals who have been in the job for a long time.  "It'll never work..." and "we tried this ten years ago and it didn't work then..."  

The latter group drove me mad when I was on a school board and I come across it regularly in sports clubs outside school.  Sometimes (with the clubs!) you can just say "This is what we're doing and if you don't like it you can leave" and it usually works.  I grind my teeth regularly at the former group.

With children now approaching the final stages of school education, I've come to the conclusion that most changes are just tinkering around the edges and what is needed is a complete and major restructuring. So go for it!

I'll try &#38; get myself round to writing a post of my own on this, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s very refreshing to read this.  As a lay person with children in the system at the moment, it always seems to me that there are two main groups acting against any significant change.  First, people who&#8217;ve been and gone through the system and the media.  This lot are the &#8220;if it was good enough for us&#8230;&#8221; and &#8220;standards are falling&#8230;&#8221; brigade.  I&#8217;m sure they think children should still be matriculating with the leaving certificate or whatever or their children they did themselves.  And then there are the teaching professionals who have been in the job for a long time.  &#8220;It&#8217;ll never work&#8230;&#8221; and &#8220;we tried this ten years ago and it didn&#8217;t work then&#8230;&#8221;  </p>
<p>The latter group drove me mad when I was on a school board and I come across it regularly in sports clubs outside school.  Sometimes (with the clubs!) you can just say &#8220;This is what we&#8217;re doing and if you don&#8217;t like it you can leave&#8221; and it usually works.  I grind my teeth regularly at the former group.</p>
<p>With children now approaching the final stages of school education, I&#8217;ve come to the conclusion that most changes are just tinkering around the edges and what is needed is a complete and major restructuring. So go for it!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll try &amp; get myself round to writing a post of my own on this, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Ewan McIntosh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ewan McIntosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely put, Don. This past six months I've been using a John Hunter quote - "Don't think, try" - to sum up my feelings on change. Whenever I visit a group of people they always seem to know where they want to go, and even have a rough idea of how they might get there, yet they feel the need to defer decision-making for another day. The list of reasons/excuses is as long as my arm: more consultation, more tweaking, "it'll never work", "we need to change culture further up before we can create change 'on the ground'". Yet, when you speak with those 'further up', they just want to see the change happen asap.

Change, I'm convinced, is most effective when it is this combination of bottom-up innovation, but on a reassuring lead and backing from the hierarchy (where there is one). Yet, these ideas still get a slating from those who think that the most effective strategies can only be pure "bottom-up":
http://edu.blogs.com/edublogs/2008/03/community-bui-1.html

Any thoughts? I remember having similar discussions a year ago with you, where we pushed and pulled over the ratio of these revolutionary and hierarchical powers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely put, Don. This past six months I&#8217;ve been using a John Hunter quote - &#8220;Don&#8217;t think, try&#8221; - to sum up my feelings on change. Whenever I visit a group of people they always seem to know where they want to go, and even have a rough idea of how they might get there, yet they feel the need to defer decision-making for another day. The list of reasons/excuses is as long as my arm: more consultation, more tweaking, &#8220;it&#8217;ll never work&#8221;, &#8220;we need to change culture further up before we can create change &#8216;on the ground&#8217;&#8221;. Yet, when you speak with those &#8216;further up&#8217;, they just want to see the change happen asap.</p>
<p>Change, I&#8217;m convinced, is most effective when it is this combination of bottom-up innovation, but on a reassuring lead and backing from the hierarchy (where there is one). Yet, these ideas still get a slating from those who think that the most effective strategies can only be pure &#8220;bottom-up&#8221;:<br />
<a href="http://edu.blogs.com/edublogs/2008/03/community-bui-1.html" rel="nofollow">http://edu.blogs.com/edublogs/2008/03/community-bui-1.html</a></p>
<p>Any thoughts? I remember having similar discussions a year ago with you, where we pushed and pulled over the ratio of these revolutionary and hierarchical powers.</p>
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