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		<title>By: Don&#8217;s Learning Log &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Building Leadership Capacity</title>
		<link>http://edubuzz.org/blogs/donsblog/2007/04/30/leaders-of-learning-network/#comment-8869</link>
		<dc:creator>Don&#8217;s Learning Log &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Building Leadership Capacity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] recently been exploring how we might do this through the Leadership Development Network but it&#8217;s good to find some supporting evidence for the path we are looking to take. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] recently been exploring how we might do this through the Leadership Development Network but it&#8217;s good to find some supporting evidence for the path we are looking to take. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jackie Cameron</title>
		<link>http://edubuzz.org/blogs/donsblog/2007/04/30/leaders-of-learning-network/#comment-8006</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackie Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 16:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have spoken with teachers who have had leadership development experience at Columba1400 and Leadership Trust which focus on personal leadership and raising self awareness.I wonder if it is  that the people who are in right place at the right time have a level of self awareness that allows them to see  and take advantage of the opportunities? And would these be the people who would take advantage of the creative ways round the issue that you suggest?
Of course - without having insight to the actual recruitment process it is difficult to assess the potential for future success if leadership experience is gained in other ways. Maybe the recruitment panel would always favour someone with team leadership experience meeting specific criteria -which would be a pity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have spoken with teachers who have had leadership development experience at Columba1400 and Leadership Trust which focus on personal leadership and raising self awareness.I wonder if it is  that the people who are in right place at the right time have a level of self awareness that allows them to see  and take advantage of the opportunities? And would these be the people who would take advantage of the creative ways round the issue that you suggest?<br />
Of course - without having insight to the actual recruitment process it is difficult to assess the potential for future success if leadership experience is gained in other ways. Maybe the recruitment panel would always favour someone with team leadership experience meeting specific criteria -which would be a pity.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Downes</title>
		<link>http://edubuzz.org/blogs/donsblog/2007/04/30/leaders-of-learning-network/#comment-7997</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Downes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That you are asking this question is a very good sign. It's not exploitive - it's consistent with the recommendation that people undertake volunteer work to gain experience - but there are some caveats.

First, in my experience, a major criterion for promotion to a leadership position is obedience. Though this is counterintuitive, it is often the desire of existing managers to hire new managers that will 'toe the line'. Obviously, this does not result in the selection of very effective leaders. So you need to ensure that the 'leaders of learning' network does not constitute some kind of obedience test. There need to be opportunities to assume leadership in areas that are outside the domain of the organization's management, and in some cases even run contrary to the interests or objectives of the organization's management (that's why, eg., union activity should also be recognized as leadership experience). This looks like it does satisfy this condition, though it should be clear that this is the case.

Second, the biggest problem with the requirement that people volunteer is that it self-selects wealthier and more privileged candidates (think of the movie 'The Pursuit of Happyness' where the protagonist ended up living in a subway station while completing the brokerage firm's unpaid internship. All leadership activities ought to be completed during something like normal working hours. Requiring unpaid overtime will self-select just as surely as a minimum income test will.

That said, I am heartened by the overt recognition that people often obtain leadership experience (and hence leadership positions) though random chance - being in the right place at the right time. People should understand that managers and supervisors - and for that matter CEOs and professors - are not particularly smarter than other people, just luckier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That you are asking this question is a very good sign. It&#8217;s not exploitive - it&#8217;s consistent with the recommendation that people undertake volunteer work to gain experience - but there are some caveats.</p>
<p>First, in my experience, a major criterion for promotion to a leadership position is obedience. Though this is counterintuitive, it is often the desire of existing managers to hire new managers that will &#8216;toe the line&#8217;. Obviously, this does not result in the selection of very effective leaders. So you need to ensure that the &#8216;leaders of learning&#8217; network does not constitute some kind of obedience test. There need to be opportunities to assume leadership in areas that are outside the domain of the organization&#8217;s management, and in some cases even run contrary to the interests or objectives of the organization&#8217;s management (that&#8217;s why, eg., union activity should also be recognized as leadership experience). This looks like it does satisfy this condition, though it should be clear that this is the case.</p>
<p>Second, the biggest problem with the requirement that people volunteer is that it self-selects wealthier and more privileged candidates (think of the movie &#8216;The Pursuit of Happyness&#8217; where the protagonist ended up living in a subway station while completing the brokerage firm&#8217;s unpaid internship. All leadership activities ought to be completed during something like normal working hours. Requiring unpaid overtime will self-select just as surely as a minimum income test will.</p>
<p>That said, I am heartened by the overt recognition that people often obtain leadership experience (and hence leadership positions) though random chance - being in the right place at the right time. People should understand that managers and supervisors - and for that matter CEOs and professors - are not particularly smarter than other people, just luckier.</p>
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		<title>By: A Teacher</title>
		<link>http://edubuzz.org/blogs/donsblog/2007/04/30/leaders-of-learning-network/#comment-7994</link>
		<dc:creator>A Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exploitation?  Voluntary membership of a network devised to enhance a persons leadership skills, is in my view not exploitative.  It is an indication that a person is willing to work towards a goal and demonstrate their commitment to developing themselves for a position in management. If this new initiative becomes a reality I for one would be more than happy to volunteer, as I would look upon it as a positive step forward in my professional development.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exploitation?  Voluntary membership of a network devised to enhance a persons leadership skills, is in my view not exploitative.  It is an indication that a person is willing to work towards a goal and demonstrate their commitment to developing themselves for a position in management. If this new initiative becomes a reality I for one would be more than happy to volunteer, as I would look upon it as a positive step forward in my professional development.</p>
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